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foreign

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where is the UAP report we were promised

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a pentagon UFO report the first to come

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out of the arrow this new group that is

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going to be studying UFOs within the uh

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the National Intelligence Agency the

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default Department of Defense all these

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acronyms that I can't keep them straight

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maybe our guests can clear this up for

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me

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um but you know what let's just do it

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let's bring him in he looks ready um

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he's getting over over a cold so I

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really appreciate him coming in tonight

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so

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again

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I should unmute myself you just said I

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was a professional I'm like yeah maybe I

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should turn the mic on apparently uh

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that's good it's good to see you

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you too my man how you feeling

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getting over it it's this time of year

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man California goes from like shorts

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t-shirt weather uh hot go to the beach I

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kid you not literally a day later it's

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freezing we just got rain here it's that

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weather change that kills me every year

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so

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you know enough whining for me but uh

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but yeah it it just it gets me there's

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always one every year around this time

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that just knocks me out for two weeks so

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hopefully I'm on the the tail end of it

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but the story today was just kind of too

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much to to sit on and and wait until my

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voice was better so I thought I'd drop

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the video and and do it yeah well yeah

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and you dropped this video literally

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gosh 10 20 20 minutes ago

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um and this is some big news coming out

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about a lot of the recent stuff going on

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um everyone watching this has seen these

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Navy videos that we've been watching

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since 2017 that have made the rounds

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that were officially released by the

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Department of Defense there's so much

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you know we're going to be talking about

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these three videos forever but um what I

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think the UFO Community truly wants is

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more videos and we're excited because

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we're being told that they're looking at

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a lot more reports within the Pentagon

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on now than they did previously when

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this last assessment came out but the

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real question on everyone's mind is are

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we going to get more videos are there

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going to be things we could talk about

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for the next three four years and

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analyze so I gotta ask you what was this

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story you dropped today and uh hate us

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man hit us with the honest brutal truth

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about what you learned yeah it well it's

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both of those it's honest and brutal uh

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just to quickly preface the story if uh

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if you or your audience isn't aware a

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couple months ago I had published

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something and and put a video out as

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well they got some International

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attention and big headlines that the

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Navy was exempting 100 of their UAP

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videos now obviously we've seen the

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three videos that they have officially

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released they claim 100 of everything

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else that they have was was exempt from

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release due to national security reasons

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well after that happened and again there

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was quite a bit of media attention I had

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submitted a very lengthy appeal it's it

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was something that I would consider much

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bigger and more detailed than uh than I

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would normally submit on an appeal

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because I was really fighting for this

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but on top of it I really felt I had a

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strong case to get the Navy to reverse

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the decision

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so fast forward to a couple of hours ago

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I was about to do a interview in uh

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uh uh Denmark I believe they are and

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literally minutes before I go on we did

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the interview but minutes before I go on

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I get this denial letter and I'm like

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nah you got to be kidding me is this the

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same case and I looked up the case I

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went up that's it this is the one that I

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profiled that that

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had denied 100 of the videos and

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essentially what happened was was and

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I'll pull it up on my end too just to

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make sure I'm not misquoting anybody but

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yeah the office of the Judge Advocate

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General had rendered their decision that

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they looked over everything that I put

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in the appeal and denied it so

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essentially they agreed with the Navy uh

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for withholding everything and I lost

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now one thing I put in my video that I

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want to kind of relay here is why is

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this important you know some people may

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think well you know they're Secrets

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there's there's secrecy all around you

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know who cares it's the government

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they'll never tell you anything these

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types of decisions are what play a role

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in future disclosures pardon pardon the

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word usage but disclosures in the sense

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of releases to the public uh either

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through foia or MDR or just them wanting

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to be transparent when they review stuff

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like this and make a decision at an

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appellate level not at a foia level even

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though I lost that part second would be

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the pellet level now you're getting a

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much more serious decision making my

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next step is to go into a courtroom and

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deplete my case to a judge the problem

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with that is we're talking about

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National Security so the exact reason

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that they they are denying all of this

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they won't tell you they'll tell you the

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broad stroke language but we don't know

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exactly why these videos fit into that

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criteria so how do you fight something

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you don't know so beyond my appeal which

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I which I put a lot of effort into how

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do you fight what you are not told on

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why they are are denying this so that's

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why this is important because now this

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can resonate to other military branches

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as if it hasn't already that this could

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play a role in uh their decision to

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release UFO UAP videos for years to come

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and the reason I say years is everything

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that they reviewed by the letter of the

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law they do not have to review it again

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for two years they can cite these cases

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and go sorry you you know that there's

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been a review and they will blanket deny

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it for for two more years and then you

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can submit a let's say MDR and hopefully

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get them to review it again and release

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it but we're two years out from that so

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it's a big development because uh just

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to close the thought you've got people

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out there that are using the disclosure

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word

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um they feel that Congress being

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involved will somehow Trump National

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Security and I've long warned against

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that Congress does not Trump National

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Security they don't just say well look

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my my constituents want to know so you

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have to tell us that's not how that

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works uh that's why there's closed door

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sessions that's why there's classified

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briefings that's why they hold security

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uh Oaths it's because they will

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represent us in the halls of Congress

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asking odni questions or Navy or DOD or

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whomever but when it comes to

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classification they cannot Trump that

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and so what that essentially translates

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to is Congress will want to relay to

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their constituents they're on it but at

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the end of the day that secrecy is even

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thicker than it was yesterday which is

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pretty frustrating

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yeah I remember I think last time we had

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you on uh actually this is when you

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brought up these exact points of the

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more they get involved the less we're

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probably going to know the more they can

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put their you know wrap their fingers

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around it and and close the door a

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little tighter on us with classification

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and what not just with a UFO topic like

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we're seeing over classification

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happening all over the Pentagon for all

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so many different reasons so why

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wouldn't it involve this topic and why

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wouldn't they use the I guess the

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blanket statement of National Security

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as a reason that we're not getting

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things or the reason that they just flat

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out lie or you know turn about face when

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they're responding to you in your in

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your requests and whatnot like I know

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for a fact and you've stated like you've

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gotten contradicting uh responses from

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different people throughout time uh

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showing clearly there's some sort of

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cover-up or there's some sort sort of um

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dishonesty going on uh it's it's it's

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sobering it's unfortunate but um I I

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guess my question for you John is uh and

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I really want people to go over and

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watch the video guys so definitely go

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watch that where John's gonna go into a

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lot more detail about this but um what

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do you think this says we're now two

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weeks out and we haven't gotten this new

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report coming out uh do you think this

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story uh this response you got has

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anything to do with that I mean are we

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seeing like uh I don't know are they all

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backtracking now and not giving this new

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uh Arrow group their information or what

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do you I I guess my big question is

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um where do you stand on why we haven't

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gotten this report that was supposed to

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come out two weeks ago at this point

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well my guess is as good as anybody is I

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mean I really don't have or claim to

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have any Insider information

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um I I believe that uh part of this uh

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is due to a rewrite I know that that has

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been bantered about online I don't think

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what has been bantered about on Twitter

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is entirely accurate when it comes to a

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rewrite but I don't have the answer to

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that either I wish I did I aim to find

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that out but from what I understand yes

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the the the rewrite word came up or a

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request came up and they have been uh

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essentially reworking the report again I

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aim to go after all of this the problem

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with doing it now meaning filing cases

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to try and answer those questions it's

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all still unfolding we don't have an

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answer to it as far as I'm aware the

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report has not been delivered either at

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a classified level or unclassified level

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I look forward to anybody making those

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claims to show the proof but there's no

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proof that that's actually hap and so

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what what hurts all of this is all these

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claims that are being made online by

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various people and we don't really have

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any answers yet uh why it is going back

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to the root of your question again I

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really don't know I'm not sure

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um I got a lot of heat big shocker for

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putting out the the sentiment that I

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think that there's a maybe waning

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Congressional interest in this and and

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as that interest maybe wanes a little

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bit for whatever reason uh you don't

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have the motivation for them to be on

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time and last year was encouraging

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because it was on time and one thing I

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pointed out today on my channel was That

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and the run-up to that report

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you had all these news agencies that

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were doing different stories you had TMZ

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doing man on the streets running around

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with like cell phone camera what do you

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think of the UAP stuff and and getting

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these sound bites that all of us would

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love because these big voices were

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talking about UAP on Fox news on CNN on

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the street with TMZ you know fill in the

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blank it was all over the place this

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time around you don't see that as much

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of course there's a few videos here and

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there but I would I would definitely put

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up the argument that the interest there

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by the media which then fuels the

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motivation by Congress to to get

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involved because they love the spotlight

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let's let's not forget that aspect to

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this it's not all about them wanting to

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be

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um uh transparent and push for

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transparency on UAP I hate to say it but

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they're politicians so they're going to

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go where that interest is to stay in the

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spotlight to make everybody happy and

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yeah get the votes I'm sorry uh that's

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just the reality to it so this time

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around you don't have that and a lot of

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of people push back on me saying well

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we're in the middle of midterms so they

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let it go and I'm a big believer that

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you know I harp on the government a lot

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but they can walk and chew gum so if

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they can't go through that midterm

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season and still ask an agency about a

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congressionally mandated report that's

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an issue you know I mean that's that's a

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problem so what what is the answer is it

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a a waning interest I hope not did odni

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contact Congress you know let's say a

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week before the deadline and say hey

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we're going to be late that's a

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possibility too and and Congress doesn't

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have any requirement to tell us about

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that or odni

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um a little interesting note odni can

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rarely if ever put out official

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statements about their Congressional

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correspondence

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um mainly because the public record

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accession acts like the Freedom of

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Information Act they don't apply to

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Congress so you very rarely unless uh

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you know it's approved get odni to talk

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about or any agency to talk about their

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direct communication with Congress

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because that's just not how that works

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so rather you you need Congress to speak

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for Congress and uh if they don't want

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to tell you there's there's no it

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doesn't matter they don't care to tell

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you so we're just kind of left to to

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speculate and that's I think where the

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damage is coming in because now you have

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the speculation you have the the

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accusations you have all this stuff

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going on even news articles writing

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about reports that don't even exist yet

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so how did that happen uh that's I in my

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opinion may be further supporting that

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there was some finished product and then

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somebody squawked to the New York Times

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in the Daily Mail may have been the same

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Source who knows but you know there's a

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lot of these weird unanswered questions

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floating around but at the end of the

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day we just don't know yet and I look

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forward to figuring it all out but until

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we get the confirmation that the report

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either classified unclassified or both

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is delivered to Congress that's when I

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can act through foia and then put it in

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writing but until then they'll likely

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reject it because it's still in draft

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form

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gotcha gotcha yeah and that's all we're

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waiting for every time there's a gap or

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a void that's when we depend on you to

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fill in those gaps and voids with facts

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not speculation facts no pressure my man

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I gotta ask you this um I don't want to

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keep you too long I know you're full a

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full afternoon uh timberchet recently

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saying Congress is compromised sounded

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both plausible and dangerous what do you

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think John talk about speculation we

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have a congress member saying that some

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members might be compromised by Arrow by

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the Pentagon uh to not

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push this topic forward when you know

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when these Congressional hearings were

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taking place uh they were really pushing

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for it uh what do you make of this

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theory that yeah maybe they're

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compromised I don't know I I just heard

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that myself I think term burchett's an

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interesting voice in all of this he had

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retweeted something that I had posted a

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few months back and uh told me to keep

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pushing that it was a cover-up and when

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you have a sitting Congressman retweet

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you and on anything and say it's a

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cover-up it's a very interesting

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accusation to make and when you fast

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forward and see his history with this

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and now saying Congress is compromised

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I'd love to pick his brain and ask him

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why he says that I mean those are big

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allegations to make are they you know

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political shots across the bow is this

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real information that he has I don't

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know I mean again it's it's speculation

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but it piqued my interest for somebody

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who's who's sitting in Congress to make

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that accusation and the reason why I

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brought up the retweet on my stuff call

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calling it a cover-up is that now he's

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got a a clear history of essentially

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supporting that idea supporting the

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notion that the government is lying to

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us they're covering something up and

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potentially compromised the compromise

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is an interesting word choice um again I

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that I I don't want to speculate on uh

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but but what one thing that I will talk

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about more kind of broadly and

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generically uh is when Congress people

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go through these briefings and they hear

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what they're they're going to hear

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um

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I want to know if that's kind of the

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root cause of them with their waning

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interest that they start hearing things

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uh that doesn't mean they're necessarily

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compromised but rather the questions

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that they had while they were on that

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TMZ show or Fox News or CNN or whomever

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um they start to get answers a little

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bit but the answers come in a classified

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realm and so now you have to back off a

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little bit and stop pushing the issue

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I've I've long talked about what I call

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the counterintelligence value to the UAP

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discussion and essentially what I mean

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by it is there are so many layers to

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this onion that the U.S military the

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intelligence agencies and the government

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can use it for counterintelligence

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purposes that sounds conspiratorial but

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it's it's absolutely what they do all

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the time and I think that by pleading

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ignorance on certain things I quote

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unquote identifying things in other

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instances you are playing a game not

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necessarily with the target of the

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American people but rather the worldwide

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audience and the worldwide intelligence

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agencies that they look now into America

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and they think well the crazy Americans

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are pushing UFO stuff and then all of a

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sudden the government I'll just take one

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example that I'm sure will fire up some

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people but like the 2004 Nimitz

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encounter I don't know if that was

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classified Tech or a foreign piece of

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classified Tech or whatever it might be

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but if they start saying

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we don't know what this is and this is a

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hypothetical I'm not saying this is true

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for anybody who's going to attack me

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after but the hypothetical saying they

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look at that the military says oh we

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have no idea what that Nimitz uh

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encounter is and let's just say it was a

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Chinese platform that that encroached

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onto a naval training exercise

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um whatever fill in the blank what are

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you doing by saying you don't know what

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that is you're confusing the heck out of

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the other intelligence agencies going

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wait a minute they really didn't know

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that was us we thought that they saw

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that it was us but you know it's just

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kind of those war games that we've

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played for decades

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um the Russians and even uh formerly the

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Soviet Union were doing the exact same

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thing not talking about each other in

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the same exact Waters that they would

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run and there are documented incidents

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where submarines would actually scrape

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holes going past each other but the

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governments wouldn't talk about it right

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so it was kind of like this Mutual we

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knew you were there but we're not going

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to talk about it or acknowledge it and

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they would they would do these kind of

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War games so again that

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counterintelligence value to situations

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like that is absolute gold but before

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anybody thinks that I'm saying it's all

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classified Tech it works on the other

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end too when you have a certain

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percentage of cases that don't have an

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identification that truly don't have an

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ID we have no idea what these are and I

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think albeit a small percentage I do

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think that they're out there

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now by kind of just throwing all this

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mud out there you kind of hide that in

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the process you hide that in the mud so

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to speak and so it makes it increasingly

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difficult for people like me you your

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audience to decipher what in the heck is

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going on and and that's where that

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counterintelligence value comes in

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because now you're having the discussion

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so you satisfy the public demand you're

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creating reports which you know some are

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identified some are not there's a

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balloon you're showing progress if the

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New York Times is accurate with their

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summation even though Julian Barnes had

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some silly word choices but let's say

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that that's happening you've now

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satisfied Congress uh but on the world

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stage you're also confusing all of these

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world powers and in the process and the

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true mystery Behind These phenomena the

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stuff that all of us are really kind of

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the most drawn to uh you hide it all in

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that mud and I and I think in my opinion

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that's what's going on right now uh that

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that they are using this topic to just

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throw mud out there to where people just

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give up and you you actually see that

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right now with a lot of of voices that

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over the last couple of years where big

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advocates for transparency

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um call them activists if you want

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whatever they're doing all of that and

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they've gotten so frustrated and it's a

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growing list I'm not just talking about

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one or two but it's a growing list of

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people that just say I'm done I forget

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it there's nothing to this because they

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get so frustrated with it someone in my

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channel while the my video was playing

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they were so frustrated they said I've

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invested 30 years of my life in this I'm

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out I'm like whoa wait that's not my

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intent with this video don't get that

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don't get that frustrated but that is

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part of this Arena and we can't let them

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win and we can't let them achieve that

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if that really is going on and I I told

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myself that 26 years ago when I was 15.

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if there was a government cover-up they

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would frustrate me to no end and they'd

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want me to stop and I vowed and this is

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not an exaggeration I vowed to myself at

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that point

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um it was like in the first few months

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first six months of using foia I'm like

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wow there's really a cover up here this

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is what they want me to do because I was

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getting frustrated uh even back then now

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the stories that's going on now Trump

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those but uh I told myself don't do it

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that I mean look if there's this massive

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00:22:03,289 --> 00:22:01,200
cover-up which I believe now is easily

545
00:22:05,990 --> 00:22:03,299
provable uh they want you to go away

546
00:22:07,789 --> 00:22:06,000
don't do it and that's what I kind of

547
00:22:09,649 --> 00:22:07,799
feel is going on now and we're seeing a

548
00:22:11,510 --> 00:22:09,659
growing number of voices that are just

549
00:22:15,230 --> 00:22:11,520
saying forget it I'm done they're out

550
00:22:18,529 --> 00:22:15,240
and uh and it's uh painful to see I I

551
00:22:20,990 --> 00:22:18,539
wish I didn't see that yeah I know you

552
00:22:23,090 --> 00:22:21,000
know and there are specific people we

553
00:22:26,149 --> 00:22:23,100
could point out who you know were big

554
00:22:27,950 --> 00:22:26,159
activists and just kind of moved on kind

555
00:22:31,130 --> 00:22:27,960
of you know took off the rose-colored

556
00:22:34,190 --> 00:22:31,140
glasses and saw the deception that we

557
00:22:36,649 --> 00:22:34,200
deal with in this field uh gosh ever

558
00:22:39,710 --> 00:22:36,659
since the beginning and it's frustrating

559
00:22:42,350 --> 00:22:39,720
John I know you uh me many others in

560
00:22:45,289 --> 00:22:42,360
this chat we all have been in this God

561
00:22:47,210 --> 00:22:45,299
I'm going on like over 20 years now

562
00:22:49,850 --> 00:22:47,220
um I know you're you're comparable to

563
00:22:53,630 --> 00:22:49,860
that as well and it is frustrating

564
00:22:54,830 --> 00:22:53,640
because ever since that 2017 article

565
00:22:57,110 --> 00:22:54,840
came out

566
00:22:58,909 --> 00:22:57,120
so many of the people in this field just

567
00:23:02,210 --> 00:22:58,919
had a funny feeling from the very start

568
00:23:04,610 --> 00:23:02,220
and I had it I I'm sure I don't want to

569
00:23:06,590 --> 00:23:04,620
speak for you but I'm sure you obviously

570
00:23:08,270 --> 00:23:06,600
were very skeptical

571
00:23:10,490 --> 00:23:08,280
um I ruffled some feathers in the

572
00:23:12,710 --> 00:23:10,500
beginning I think yeah as you should

573
00:23:14,270 --> 00:23:12,720
have and as you're still doing and

574
00:23:16,210 --> 00:23:14,280
that's what we need

575
00:23:18,470 --> 00:23:16,220
um it's very

576
00:23:21,770 --> 00:23:18,480
disheartening and it does make like I've

577
00:23:24,649 --> 00:23:21,780
wanted to quit this this to be honest

578
00:23:27,770 --> 00:23:24,659
this for a very long time because

579
00:23:29,930 --> 00:23:27,780
you get you get your heart broken time

580
00:23:32,330 --> 00:23:29,940
and time and time again

581
00:23:35,870 --> 00:23:32,340
um and I guess that has more to do with

582
00:23:38,270 --> 00:23:35,880
the the power you give this mystery uh

583
00:23:39,950 --> 00:23:38,280
at least in my experience you know if

584
00:23:42,110 --> 00:23:39,960
you let it run your life if this is what

585
00:23:45,169 --> 00:23:42,120
you're gonna base every decision on in

586
00:23:48,289 --> 00:23:45,179
your day uh you got a problem like you

587
00:23:50,450 --> 00:23:48,299
have to disassociate from this UFO topic

588
00:23:53,930 --> 00:23:50,460
every now and again and live your life

589
00:23:56,149 --> 00:23:53,940
but at the same time it's hard when like

590
00:23:58,370 --> 00:23:56,159
um these headlines keep coming out you

591
00:23:59,390 --> 00:23:58,380
know every week of government's doing

592
00:24:01,190 --> 00:23:59,400
this government's doing this

593
00:24:02,930 --> 00:24:01,200
government's doing this but then we and

594
00:24:05,570 --> 00:24:02,940
the public never hear about any of it

595
00:24:06,649 --> 00:24:05,580
it's it's frustrating and then now we're

596
00:24:08,690 --> 00:24:06,659
learning

597
00:24:11,149 --> 00:24:08,700
um that mostly everything is going to be

598
00:24:13,490 --> 00:24:11,159
classified or we're not going to see

599
00:24:15,770 --> 00:24:13,500
videos and it makes a lot of these

600
00:24:18,590 --> 00:24:15,780
activists who just got involved be like

601
00:24:20,029 --> 00:24:18,600
oh oh this isn't going to be as easy as

602
00:24:22,310 --> 00:24:20,039
I thought yeah and then you have the

603
00:24:25,070 --> 00:24:22,320
older people being like yeah no

604
00:24:30,590 --> 00:24:27,529
and and that's the problem history keeps

605
00:24:32,330 --> 00:24:30,600
repeating itself I mean I I think a lot

606
00:24:33,890 --> 00:24:32,340
of people I don't want to say the

607
00:24:36,590 --> 00:24:33,900
majority but I think a lot of people

608
00:24:39,649 --> 00:24:36,600
forget why we're in this we're in this

609
00:24:42,529 --> 00:24:39,659
to get the answers right in my opinion

610
00:24:46,190 --> 00:24:42,539
nobody has the answers nobody has a

611
00:24:48,770 --> 00:24:46,200
hundred percent of of the story and I

612
00:24:52,370 --> 00:24:48,780
think that for me anyway it's the draw

613
00:24:53,870 --> 00:24:52,380
of the mystery and the fun behind what

614
00:24:56,330 --> 00:24:53,880
this is all about

615
00:24:58,970 --> 00:24:56,340
in the process I think some people lose

616
00:25:02,450 --> 00:24:58,980
that they may get in for that they'll

617
00:25:05,270 --> 00:25:02,460
see somebody that forgive the word but

618
00:25:07,789 --> 00:25:05,280
but but idolize that they feel that that

619
00:25:10,130 --> 00:25:07,799
they are the truth the way the light I

620
00:25:11,390 --> 00:25:10,140
hate to use that expression but it

621
00:25:14,990 --> 00:25:11,400
becomes

622
00:25:17,029 --> 00:25:15,000
a dangerous way to approach this uh

623
00:25:19,250 --> 00:25:17,039
because then all of a sudden you're not

624
00:25:21,529 --> 00:25:19,260
looking for the truth anymore you're

625
00:25:23,810 --> 00:25:21,539
looking for your truth right you all

626
00:25:25,909 --> 00:25:23,820
you're looking for is the confirmation

627
00:25:28,130 --> 00:25:25,919
of what you want to believe in I call it

628
00:25:30,350 --> 00:25:28,140
the I want to believe syndrome and you

629
00:25:31,970 --> 00:25:30,360
sacrifice the reasons that you got into

630
00:25:34,310 --> 00:25:31,980
this you sacrifice common sense you

631
00:25:38,269 --> 00:25:34,320
sacrifice logic you sacrifice all of

632
00:25:39,769 --> 00:25:38,279
that for the belief that you want and

633
00:25:42,830 --> 00:25:39,779
that's where it becomes dangerous it

634
00:25:44,510 --> 00:25:42,840
becomes frustrating it becomes toxic and

635
00:25:47,090 --> 00:25:44,520
that's what's what's frustrating we

636
00:25:49,070 --> 00:25:47,100
can't lose the root of why we all got in

637
00:25:52,070 --> 00:25:49,080
this and I truly feel that that that

638
00:25:55,669 --> 00:25:52,080
that that root is the same for all of us

639
00:25:58,730 --> 00:25:55,679
now whether or not we sprout a weed from

640
00:26:01,070 --> 00:25:58,740
that root or a plant that grows is all

641
00:26:03,529 --> 00:26:01,080
up to the person uh but just to stick

642
00:26:06,169 --> 00:26:03,539
with that analogy but that's what that's

643
00:26:08,570 --> 00:26:06,179
what I think we're we're now seeing we

644
00:26:11,269 --> 00:26:08,580
have to take a step back and we have to

645
00:26:13,250 --> 00:26:11,279
question the last five years and we have

646
00:26:16,730 --> 00:26:13,260
to question what is really going on

647
00:26:19,610 --> 00:26:16,740
right this isn't personal with anybody

648
00:26:22,490 --> 00:26:19,620
uh this isn't making silly baseless

649
00:26:25,070 --> 00:26:22,500
accusations against anybody but rather

650
00:26:28,850 --> 00:26:25,080
this is taking the stories that we've

651
00:26:30,289 --> 00:26:28,860
been told since December of 2017. on

652
00:26:33,169 --> 00:26:30,299
both sides of this debate government

653
00:26:35,870 --> 00:26:33,179
spokespeople through foia documentation

654
00:26:37,730 --> 00:26:35,880
uh in Congressional hearings and those

655
00:26:40,010 --> 00:26:37,740
that have come out of the government or

656
00:26:41,930 --> 00:26:40,020
those advocating that that they want

657
00:26:44,149 --> 00:26:41,940
transparency and they used to work for

658
00:26:46,730 --> 00:26:44,159
the government we have to question what

659
00:26:50,390 --> 00:26:46,740
is it that they really want to achieve

660
00:26:53,029 --> 00:26:50,400
here why are we getting this mud from

661
00:26:55,669 --> 00:26:53,039
both angles right the government and

662
00:26:59,390 --> 00:26:55,679
those that were government at one time

663
00:27:01,430 --> 00:26:59,400
thrown into this that's not a bad

664
00:27:03,230 --> 00:27:01,440
approach to take but I think again going

665
00:27:06,590 --> 00:27:03,240
back to what I was saying that people

666
00:27:09,230 --> 00:27:06,600
are looking for their truth it then

667
00:27:10,730 --> 00:27:09,240
becomes a war this isn't research

668
00:27:13,669 --> 00:27:10,740
anymore it's not a conversation anymore

669
00:27:16,730 --> 00:27:13,679
it's not even a debate it is it is a

670
00:27:17,810 --> 00:27:16,740
downright war between those that want to

671
00:27:19,909 --> 00:27:17,820
believe something

672
00:27:22,250 --> 00:27:19,919
and then those that are just trying to

673
00:27:25,310 --> 00:27:22,260
figure it out you know and and those

674
00:27:27,350 --> 00:27:25,320
that really just want the answers and

675
00:27:29,810 --> 00:27:27,360
you know not to I don't want to go off

676
00:27:31,310 --> 00:27:29,820
on a tangent I apologize but I think

677
00:27:33,409 --> 00:27:31,320
that that going back to what you were

678
00:27:35,870 --> 00:27:33,419
saying this is what I think people have

679
00:27:39,169 --> 00:27:35,880
lost and and you see that come out in

680
00:27:42,590 --> 00:27:39,179
passion and frustration and it is so

681
00:27:46,610 --> 00:27:42,600
painful to see because it makes you

682
00:27:48,710 --> 00:27:46,620
wonder is there an an intent to achieve

683
00:27:50,990 --> 00:27:48,720
part of that because you do have these

684
00:27:53,269 --> 00:27:51,000
voices that two years ago were were

685
00:27:55,190 --> 00:27:53,279
really on board with advocating for

686
00:27:56,690 --> 00:27:55,200
transparency there was something to

687
00:27:58,850 --> 00:27:56,700
these phenomena they didn't claim to

688
00:28:00,769 --> 00:27:58,860
have answers themselves and then two

689
00:28:04,190 --> 00:28:00,779
years later they're like this is a sham

690
00:28:06,769 --> 00:28:04,200
we're getting used they get used

691
00:28:08,390 --> 00:28:06,779
um you you s you see that transition and

692
00:28:11,269 --> 00:28:08,400
again if anybody thinks I'm talking

693
00:28:14,690 --> 00:28:11,279
about one or two people trust me I'm not

694
00:28:17,510 --> 00:28:14,700
it is a growing list of people that I

695
00:28:20,630 --> 00:28:17,520
see in my timeline uh that are going

696
00:28:23,210 --> 00:28:20,640
through this and it is painful to see it

697
00:28:25,789 --> 00:28:23,220
really is because at the end of the day

698
00:28:27,890 --> 00:28:25,799
this secrecy has gone on for well more

699
00:28:30,830 --> 00:28:27,900
than a half a century the cover-up is

700
00:28:32,690 --> 00:28:30,840
provable with ample evidence that no one

701
00:28:34,730 --> 00:28:32,700
can deny that doesn't automatically

702
00:28:37,430 --> 00:28:34,740
equate to aliens but where I'm going

703
00:28:39,470 --> 00:28:37,440
with this is a build up to don't lose

704
00:28:41,630 --> 00:28:39,480
the passion of why you're here because

705
00:28:45,169 --> 00:28:41,640
the evidence to support why you're here

706
00:28:47,769 --> 00:28:45,179
is easily found the unanswered question

707
00:28:51,110 --> 00:28:47,779
of is it alien that we all want to know

708
00:28:53,570 --> 00:28:51,120
uh is is something that should still

709
00:28:56,029 --> 00:28:53,580
linger and not something we should take

710
00:28:58,669 --> 00:28:56,039
up arms over and sadly in the last

711
00:29:02,029 --> 00:28:58,679
couple of years there has been a growing

712
00:29:04,870 --> 00:29:02,039
sect of people that have taken up arms

713
00:29:07,190 --> 00:29:04,880
over it and that's where I get really

714
00:29:07,909 --> 00:29:07,200
concerned and and

715
00:29:11,690 --> 00:29:07,919
um

716
00:29:14,450 --> 00:29:11,700
kind of upset to see because we've lost

717
00:29:16,789 --> 00:29:14,460
good voices we've lost strong voices and

718
00:29:18,769 --> 00:29:16,799
look what's happening there is a in my

719
00:29:20,630 --> 00:29:18,779
opinion dwindling interest within

720
00:29:22,310 --> 00:29:20,640
Congress which is then going to make

721
00:29:24,529 --> 00:29:22,320
these government agencies not care about

722
00:29:26,210 --> 00:29:24,539
putting more money to it I mean I hope

723
00:29:31,630 --> 00:29:26,220
I'm wrong I'm just saying

724
00:29:37,070 --> 00:29:33,889
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735
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foreign

736
00:30:16,010 --> 00:30:13,620
let's prove them wrong no man that would

737
00:30:17,690 --> 00:30:16,020
that that's very inspirational and even

738
00:30:20,330 --> 00:30:17,700
someone like myself has to hear that

739
00:30:23,930 --> 00:30:20,340
especially from someone like you who who

740
00:30:26,029 --> 00:30:23,940
is dealt with every kind of um you know

741
00:30:27,590 --> 00:30:26,039
I don't like using the word drama but

742
00:30:30,590 --> 00:30:27,600
you get caught up in a lot of things

743
00:30:33,350 --> 00:30:30,600
because of your honesty and because of

744
00:30:36,409 --> 00:30:33,360
the fact by fact basis so to hear you

745
00:30:38,570 --> 00:30:36,419
say this is still worth pursuing they're

746
00:30:41,510 --> 00:30:38,580
remember why we're here

747
00:30:43,430 --> 00:30:41,520
um we all need to do that and I try to

748
00:30:46,190 --> 00:30:43,440
do that on a daily basis and for some

749
00:30:48,169 --> 00:30:46,200
reason I'm still here I'm still here I'm

750
00:30:51,169 --> 00:30:48,179
still fighting the good fight and I know

751
00:30:52,730 --> 00:30:51,179
you are too um on a more positive note

752
00:30:55,370 --> 00:30:52,740
um because I've kept you way longer than

753
00:30:57,590 --> 00:30:55,380
I do you're good um okay cool thanks man

754
00:31:00,590 --> 00:30:57,600
I appreciate your time um there's one

755
00:31:03,289 --> 00:31:00,600
more story that you you covered uh that

756
00:31:05,269 --> 00:31:03,299
is hopeful and that's from the uapx

757
00:31:09,169 --> 00:31:05,279
group now a lot of you may know this

758
00:31:12,950 --> 00:31:09,179
group uh Gary Voorhees and um who else

759
00:31:14,930 --> 00:31:12,960
Jeremy McGowan a bunch of scientists are

760
00:31:16,430 --> 00:31:14,940
involved in this group and they are

761
00:31:20,389 --> 00:31:16,440
doing expeditions to go out and

762
00:31:21,830 --> 00:31:20,399
investigate uh UAP uh primarily near

763
00:31:24,230 --> 00:31:21,840
Catalina Island where the original

764
00:31:27,110 --> 00:31:24,240
Nimitz encounter occurred but they have

765
00:31:30,769 --> 00:31:27,120
other plans as well but um this is

766
00:31:32,630 --> 00:31:30,779
interesting this group who you know is

767
00:31:35,230 --> 00:31:32,640
kind of new on the scene but has been

768
00:31:40,370 --> 00:31:35,240
doing incredible work data-driven work

769
00:31:43,490 --> 00:31:40,380
uh was contacted by the intelligence

770
00:31:45,169 --> 00:31:43,500
agencies by the uh Pentagon uh more

771
00:31:48,230 --> 00:31:45,179
specifically I believe it was the armed

772
00:31:51,110 --> 00:31:48,240
services Committee in Congress right in

773
00:31:53,690 --> 00:31:51,120
Congress okay uh to brief them on the

774
00:31:55,789 --> 00:31:53,700
UAP issue and what they have found

775
00:31:58,130 --> 00:31:55,799
um so yeah is there anything you can

776
00:32:00,950 --> 00:31:58,140
kind of break down for us John in terms

777
00:32:02,269 --> 00:32:00,960
of this story I find this very um uh

778
00:32:05,389 --> 00:32:02,279
this is the kind of stuff that gets me

779
00:32:07,490 --> 00:32:05,399
excited and that um there's hope there's

780
00:32:09,350 --> 00:32:07,500
hope for this yeah and I'm pulling up

781
00:32:11,690 --> 00:32:09,360
the article just because uh for the

782
00:32:13,549 --> 00:32:11,700
record I don't speak for uapx and I I

783
00:32:15,529 --> 00:32:13,559
don't want to uh oh good you got the

784
00:32:16,490 --> 00:32:15,539
graphic you're all prepared

785
00:32:19,010 --> 00:32:16,500
um

786
00:32:20,990 --> 00:32:19,020
that's right yeah and so I just want to

787
00:32:24,710 --> 00:32:21,000
stress I just I had learned about this

788
00:32:27,529 --> 00:32:24,720
and wanted to cover it simply because uh

789
00:32:31,430 --> 00:32:27,539
it was intriguing uh and it was a

790
00:32:33,649 --> 00:32:31,440
briefing to specifically a subcommittee

791
00:32:35,090 --> 00:32:33,659
of the house armed services committee

792
00:32:38,750 --> 00:32:35,100
specifically the intelligence and

793
00:32:41,269 --> 00:32:38,760
special operations subcommittee and from

794
00:32:42,889 --> 00:32:41,279
what I understand uh

795
00:32:46,730 --> 00:32:42,899
they were asked to come in and

796
00:32:48,710 --> 00:32:46,740
essentially give an overview of uapx uh

797
00:32:50,149 --> 00:32:48,720
and their findings uh and and I urge

798
00:32:52,549 --> 00:32:50,159
everybody to read the article because

799
00:32:54,470 --> 00:32:52,559
again I don't speak for them so I don't

800
00:32:57,049 --> 00:32:54,480
want to like misquote or misrepresent

801
00:32:59,930 --> 00:32:57,059
anything but essentially why I found

802
00:33:03,470 --> 00:32:59,940
this uh encouraging was as we are all

803
00:33:05,930 --> 00:33:03,480
waiting for the UAP report and waiting

804
00:33:07,970 --> 00:33:05,940
for odni to either finish it or do

805
00:33:11,029 --> 00:33:07,980
whatever the heck that they're doing and

806
00:33:12,769 --> 00:33:11,039
get it over to Congress the reason why I

807
00:33:15,470 --> 00:33:12,779
wanted to write this story was to show

808
00:33:18,350 --> 00:33:15,480
does Congress really need that for their

809
00:33:20,810 --> 00:33:18,360
answers when you talk about class in the

810
00:33:22,669 --> 00:33:20,820
classified realm sure you're obviously

811
00:33:25,310 --> 00:33:22,679
dealing with military technology and so

812
00:33:29,149 --> 00:33:25,320
on but if there's a true concern over

813
00:33:31,730 --> 00:33:29,159
what UAP are the root of them and it

814
00:33:33,830 --> 00:33:31,740
doesn't encroach into a classified Arena

815
00:33:36,830 --> 00:33:33,840
then why do they need car why do they

816
00:33:38,690 --> 00:33:36,840
need odni to to give them a report that

817
00:33:40,009 --> 00:33:38,700
they can extend into the private sector

818
00:33:41,930 --> 00:33:40,019
where they're getting funding from

819
00:33:44,630 --> 00:33:41,940
elsewhere that it's not Uncle Sam's

820
00:33:46,370 --> 00:33:44,640
coffers that are funding them and

821
00:33:48,409 --> 00:33:46,380
getting some answers there or at least

822
00:33:50,870 --> 00:33:48,419
some clarity or at least some idea or

823
00:33:52,430 --> 00:33:50,880
something from the private sector and

824
00:33:55,490 --> 00:33:52,440
that's why I wanted to kind of write the

825
00:33:57,009 --> 00:33:55,500
story was because it showed that again

826
00:33:59,630 --> 00:33:57,019
as we're all waiting for the report

827
00:34:01,610 --> 00:33:59,640
Congress is actually out talking to

828
00:34:03,169 --> 00:34:01,620
other people and and that was

829
00:34:05,690 --> 00:34:03,179
encouraging to me that they were

830
00:34:08,089 --> 00:34:05,700
reaching out to the private sector uh

831
00:34:11,570 --> 00:34:08,099
and were able to hear information from

832
00:34:13,849 --> 00:34:11,580
uapx and uapx was gracious enough to

833
00:34:15,349 --> 00:34:13,859
allow me to publish two previously

834
00:34:17,089 --> 00:34:15,359
unpublished slides you're showing the

835
00:34:18,950 --> 00:34:17,099
one with data the other one was the

836
00:34:20,810 --> 00:34:18,960
title slide so obviously you know we

837
00:34:23,149 --> 00:34:20,820
can't really gleam a lot from that but

838
00:34:25,909 --> 00:34:23,159
but uh but rather set up you know

839
00:34:28,790 --> 00:34:25,919
visually what Congress had saw and then

840
00:34:31,369 --> 00:34:28,800
uh capabilities of uapx

841
00:34:34,190 --> 00:34:31,379
I had asked about are they looking for

842
00:34:35,450 --> 00:34:34,200
government contracts or or anything like

843
00:34:37,190 --> 00:34:35,460
that because that obviously was a

844
00:34:39,109 --> 00:34:37,200
concern to me

845
00:34:42,290 --> 00:34:39,119
um not in a disrespectful way but

846
00:34:44,690 --> 00:34:42,300
concerned that if uapx truly has a

847
00:34:47,030 --> 00:34:44,700
effort to go out get some answers and so

848
00:34:48,950 --> 00:34:47,040
on if you get a government contract what

849
00:34:51,369 --> 00:34:48,960
happens well take big low Aerospace for

850
00:34:54,710 --> 00:34:51,379
an example they needed a top secret

851
00:34:58,490 --> 00:34:54,720
cleared facility to do the OSAP contract

852
00:34:59,870 --> 00:34:58,500
so again the OSAP UFO debate aside I'm

853
00:35:01,310 --> 00:34:59,880
using that as an example that the

854
00:35:03,470 --> 00:35:01,320
paperwork showed they needed that

855
00:35:06,290 --> 00:35:03,480
clearance with that clearance come

856
00:35:09,170 --> 00:35:06,300
secrecy so are you then kind of

857
00:35:10,970 --> 00:35:09,180
pigeonholing your organization into the

858
00:35:13,569 --> 00:35:10,980
same path that any intelligence agency

859
00:35:16,130 --> 00:35:13,579
military branch or whatever goes down

860
00:35:17,329 --> 00:35:16,140
and and they go into detail that it

861
00:35:18,910 --> 00:35:17,339
wasn't necessarily looking for

862
00:35:21,109 --> 00:35:18,920
government contracts

863
00:35:22,609 --> 00:35:21,119
and again I invite you to read

864
00:35:25,550 --> 00:35:22,619
everything that they had submitted for

865
00:35:27,290 --> 00:35:25,560
the article I do publish 100 of the

866
00:35:29,150 --> 00:35:27,300
answers that they give so I didn't

867
00:35:30,790 --> 00:35:29,160
truncate anything or paraphrase phrase

868
00:35:34,609 --> 00:35:30,800
or anything like that

869
00:35:37,130 --> 00:35:34,619
but they went through the uh the

870
00:35:40,670 --> 00:35:37,140
capabilities and I want to bring up the

871
00:35:43,370 --> 00:35:40,680
quote because it's easily overlooked but

872
00:35:47,030 --> 00:35:43,380
it was one of the more interesting

873
00:35:49,730 --> 00:35:47,040
Revelations from this I had asked if

874
00:35:52,490 --> 00:35:49,740
during the The Briefing did anybody ask

875
00:35:54,650 --> 00:35:52,500
questions from the Congressional side

876
00:35:56,089 --> 00:35:54,660
and what was interesting was this

877
00:35:58,190 --> 00:35:56,099
response most of the questions were

878
00:36:00,890 --> 00:35:58,200
about what we have already recorded or

879
00:36:03,950 --> 00:36:00,900
captured if we had capabilities for

880
00:36:05,810 --> 00:36:03,960
undersea monitoring and then it shifted

881
00:36:09,829 --> 00:36:05,820
mostly to our funding

882
00:36:11,510 --> 00:36:09,839
so undersea monitoring was what piqued

883
00:36:13,970 --> 00:36:11,520
my interest I wanted to see if anybody

884
00:36:15,650 --> 00:36:13,980
would pick that up I I didn't quote

885
00:36:19,370 --> 00:36:15,660
unquote highlight it in the article I

886
00:36:21,589 --> 00:36:19,380
just let uapx speak for themselves but I

887
00:36:25,130 --> 00:36:21,599
mean let's face it this is now coming up

888
00:36:27,170 --> 00:36:25,140
in multiple ways during the UAP hearing

889
00:36:29,750 --> 00:36:27,180
it's they start talking about underwater

890
00:36:32,329 --> 00:36:29,760
monitoring and what happens we can talk

891
00:36:35,150 --> 00:36:32,339
more about that in closed sessions so

892
00:36:37,069 --> 00:36:35,160
whatever these phenomena are obviously

893
00:36:40,609 --> 00:36:37,079
there's an underwater connection to this

894
00:36:43,130 --> 00:36:40,619
and obviously there is a concern for

895
00:36:45,950 --> 00:36:43,140
them to ask now for congress this

896
00:36:48,290 --> 00:36:45,960
subcommittee to then ask uapx about

897
00:36:51,530 --> 00:36:48,300
underwater monitoring

898
00:36:54,050 --> 00:36:51,540
what's going on like how big of an issue

899
00:36:56,150 --> 00:36:54,060
is this is this foreign adversaries is

900
00:36:58,370 --> 00:36:56,160
this you know our enemy encroaching into

901
00:37:02,089 --> 00:36:58,380
our Waters and we really are blind to

902
00:37:05,630 --> 00:37:02,099
that uh sure maybe uh is there another

903
00:37:09,829 --> 00:37:05,640
aspect to what we consider unidentified

904
00:37:12,230 --> 00:37:09,839
aerial phenomena but underwater maybe I

905
00:37:15,950 --> 00:37:12,240
don't know but to me that was incredibly

906
00:37:18,470 --> 00:37:15,960
intriguing for them to ask that and then

907
00:37:20,089 --> 00:37:18,480
you know uapx obviously convey that to

908
00:37:22,370 --> 00:37:20,099
me when I when I wrote the article so

909
00:37:25,010 --> 00:37:22,380
what it means I don't know uh what it

910
00:37:27,290 --> 00:37:25,020
means for uapx I don't know I'm just

911
00:37:29,390 --> 00:37:27,300
stressing I don't speak for them but I'm

912
00:37:32,270 --> 00:37:29,400
going to follow it I I mean I I wish

913
00:37:34,250 --> 00:37:32,280
those guys uh and gals the best and and

914
00:37:36,890 --> 00:37:34,260
what they want to achieve with this I'm

915
00:37:39,410 --> 00:37:36,900
eager to see results obviously people

916
00:37:42,589 --> 00:37:39,420
want to know every little facet of every

917
00:37:46,310 --> 00:37:42,599
little story and I can't or uapx can't

918
00:37:48,170 --> 00:37:46,320
answer that publicly uh at least for now

919
00:37:50,030 --> 00:37:48,180
but um you know when they when they

920
00:37:51,890 --> 00:37:50,040
publish a news story or want to come out

921
00:37:54,230 --> 00:37:51,900
with something else I'll definitely be

922
00:37:55,670 --> 00:37:54,240
following it because again it it was an

923
00:37:58,550 --> 00:37:55,680
interesting Revelation for a

924
00:38:00,829 --> 00:37:58,560
subcommittee to give the time to the

925
00:38:03,829 --> 00:38:00,839
private sector ask the questions that

926
00:38:06,770 --> 00:38:03,839
they did and it really brings up that

927
00:38:08,270 --> 00:38:06,780
that concept that OD and I and the

928
00:38:11,089 --> 00:38:08,280
intelligence Community can do whatever

929
00:38:13,069 --> 00:38:11,099
they want in the classified realm and

930
00:38:15,410 --> 00:38:13,079
Slough Congress off and be delayed with

931
00:38:16,790 --> 00:38:15,420
whatever report but Congress may start

932
00:38:19,010 --> 00:38:16,800
turning to the private sector for

933
00:38:21,950 --> 00:38:19,020
answers I'm speculating there a little

934
00:38:24,349 --> 00:38:21,960
bit but obviously they're interested so

935
00:38:25,370 --> 00:38:24,359
we'll we'll see how that turns out if if

936
00:38:32,510 --> 00:38:25,380
at all

937
00:38:34,849 --> 00:38:32,520
uh non what were they all those missed

938
00:38:36,829 --> 00:38:34,859
phone calls I've had on my phone I think

939
00:38:38,450 --> 00:38:36,839
that's that was definitely the odni

940
00:38:41,390 --> 00:38:38,460
reaching out to me and reaching out to

941
00:38:43,310 --> 00:38:41,400
other UFO researchers I wish I wish John

942
00:38:45,890 --> 00:38:43,320
you know

943
00:38:47,390 --> 00:38:45,900
um that would be too easy it would be

944
00:38:49,430 --> 00:38:47,400
much people who have actually done

945
00:38:51,109 --> 00:38:49,440
investigation rather than hiring people

946
00:38:52,550 --> 00:38:51,119
who don't care to do the investigation

947
00:38:56,089 --> 00:38:52,560
but hey you know I mean that's that's

948
00:38:58,010 --> 00:38:56,099
government work for you exactly exactly

949
00:38:59,990 --> 00:38:58,020
um well I mean to kind of wrap things up

950
00:39:02,870 --> 00:39:00,000
John what else what are you hopeful

951
00:39:05,870 --> 00:39:02,880
about any anything moving forward we've

952
00:39:08,390 --> 00:39:05,880
had a lot of um a lot of sobering news

953
00:39:09,650 --> 00:39:08,400
on the UFO front lately

954
00:39:11,630 --> 00:39:09,660
um you know ever since that New York

955
00:39:12,890 --> 00:39:11,640
Times article came out a few weeks back

956
00:39:14,870 --> 00:39:12,900
now

957
00:39:16,609 --> 00:39:14,880
um kind of deflated a lot of people then

958
00:39:19,430 --> 00:39:16,619
the report

959
00:39:21,890 --> 00:39:19,440
um and unfortunately now this Stark

960
00:39:25,130 --> 00:39:21,900
reality of the story that you came out

961
00:39:27,710 --> 00:39:25,140
with uh no more videos uh what do you

962
00:39:30,170 --> 00:39:27,720
hope hopeful for moving forward with

963
00:39:32,750 --> 00:39:30,180
this topic anything anything any groups

964
00:39:34,849 --> 00:39:32,760
any organizations anything any requests

965
00:39:36,770 --> 00:39:34,859
you've made yeah give it to us yeah tons

966
00:39:39,890 --> 00:39:36,780
of requests are are still out

967
00:39:42,710 --> 00:39:39,900
um for me where I I will leave on a on a

968
00:39:44,930 --> 00:39:42,720
positive note is that even though that

969
00:39:46,550 --> 00:39:44,940
they're denying you know videos and

970
00:39:48,290 --> 00:39:46,560
stuff and that's the eye candy we all

971
00:39:51,230 --> 00:39:48,300
want to see and sure that's frustrating

972
00:39:54,410 --> 00:39:51,240
the amount of Paper Trails that go into

973
00:39:56,750 --> 00:39:54,420
all of this uh is literally astronomical

974
00:39:59,150 --> 00:39:56,760
right from the emails to the letters to

975
00:40:01,550 --> 00:39:59,160
the communications so when I see a late

976
00:40:04,010 --> 00:40:01,560
UAP report all I see are Paper Trails

977
00:40:05,990 --> 00:40:04,020
that's all I see in my head I'm like I

978
00:40:08,089 --> 00:40:06,000
can't wait to go after this because I

979
00:40:13,069 --> 00:40:08,099
want to see what's going on the public

980
00:40:15,170 --> 00:40:13,079
report came out uh in June of of 2021 uh

981
00:40:18,109 --> 00:40:15,180
all I saw was the Paper Trails leading

982
00:40:20,630 --> 00:40:18,119
up to that that report that nine page or

983
00:40:26,329 --> 00:40:20,640
whatever it was report is stemmed over

984
00:40:29,210 --> 00:40:26,339
50 5-0 requests to 13 13 different

985
00:40:31,069 --> 00:40:29,220
agencies I think it was 13 or 14.

986
00:40:34,250 --> 00:40:31,079
um so you look for those those those

987
00:40:37,310 --> 00:40:34,260
those trails to go after and just start

988
00:40:39,290 --> 00:40:37,320
sniffing them out and in my opinion

989
00:40:41,750 --> 00:40:39,300
it's those trails that are going to tell

990
00:40:44,329 --> 00:40:41,760
us more and in my opinion have told us

991
00:40:46,550 --> 00:40:44,339
more the NASA I'm not sure if you're

992
00:40:48,650 --> 00:40:46,560
aware of this but I just dropped I think

993
00:40:54,230 --> 00:40:48,660
collectively it's probably over 1500

994
00:40:58,130 --> 00:40:54,240
pages of NASA UAP related emails on UAP

995
00:40:59,569 --> 00:40:58,140
and UFOs and in there were yeah the less

996
00:41:02,810 --> 00:40:59,579
interesting stuff were just media

997
00:41:05,089 --> 00:41:02,820
inquiries and how NASA responds to Media

998
00:41:07,550 --> 00:41:05,099
inquiries but through those cases I

999
00:41:09,410 --> 00:41:07,560
discovered when uh administrator Bill

1000
00:41:11,810 --> 00:41:09,420
Nelson was briefed in a classified

1001
00:41:14,750 --> 00:41:11,820
setting it was the first time I was able

1002
00:41:17,450 --> 00:41:14,760
to prove uh documentation wise that that

1003
00:41:19,130 --> 00:41:17,460
Jay Stratton was the lead of the UAP

1004
00:41:20,990 --> 00:41:19,140
task force now it's more common

1005
00:41:22,970 --> 00:41:21,000
knowledge but when I received that

1006
00:41:25,790 --> 00:41:22,980
document it had not been acknowledged by

1007
00:41:27,890 --> 00:41:25,800
anybody before I had just kind of

1008
00:41:31,250 --> 00:41:27,900
deduced it but was never able to prove

1009
00:41:33,650 --> 00:41:31,260
it that came as part of the NASA

1010
00:41:37,730 --> 00:41:33,660
releases I learned that a classified

1011
00:41:40,910 --> 00:41:37,740
briefing on the UAP report was record it

1012
00:41:41,990 --> 00:41:40,920
on video and I know where to get it now

1013
00:41:45,290 --> 00:41:42,000
that doesn't mean it's going to be

1014
00:41:48,530 --> 00:41:45,300
released but what that proves is from a

1015
00:41:51,349 --> 00:41:48,540
legal standpoint a video exists it is

1016
00:41:55,790 --> 00:41:51,359
something that is foilable that I can go

1017
00:41:57,770 --> 00:41:55,800
after and so these types of releases are

1018
00:41:59,210 --> 00:41:57,780
what they don't want you to see you know

1019
00:42:01,190 --> 00:41:59,220
that nine page report sure there was

1020
00:42:03,349 --> 00:42:01,200
interesting tidbits but it's those Paper

1021
00:42:05,329 --> 00:42:03,359
Trails that lead to so much so those

1022
00:42:06,710 --> 00:42:05,339
1500 pages just to kind of close up the

1023
00:42:08,210 --> 00:42:06,720
thought I'm going to take over your show

1024
00:42:11,089 --> 00:42:08,220
Ryan I know you're doing no this is

1025
00:42:12,770 --> 00:42:11,099
incredible man this was an impromptu AMA

1026
00:42:15,050 --> 00:42:12,780
you know how those go I mean not for you

1027
00:42:16,730 --> 00:42:15,060
you people have a million questions for

1028
00:42:19,510 --> 00:42:16,740
you but I'm always terrified that no

1029
00:42:22,609 --> 00:42:19,520
one's going to ask me any questions

1030
00:42:24,050 --> 00:42:22,619
don't worry I have the same same fear

1031
00:42:25,250 --> 00:42:24,060
whenever I live stream like nobody's

1032
00:42:26,810 --> 00:42:25,260
going to show up to this I mean I'm like

1033
00:42:28,730 --> 00:42:26,820
No One's Gonna know people we got over

1034
00:42:31,609 --> 00:42:28,740
80 people watching this and I guarantee

1035
00:42:33,650 --> 00:42:31,619
it's because uh you you retweeted that

1036
00:42:35,089 --> 00:42:33,660
you were that I was doing I just was

1037
00:42:36,589 --> 00:42:35,099
curious who your guest was and then I

1038
00:42:38,630 --> 00:42:36,599
stumbled on the link I was like I'll

1039
00:42:40,849 --> 00:42:38,640
just join this show

1040
00:42:42,349 --> 00:42:40,859
um whoops but but yeah so those NASA

1041
00:42:44,990 --> 00:42:42,359
emails uh and I haven't actually

1042
00:42:48,230 --> 00:42:45,000
advertised this yet so this is new uh

1043
00:42:50,870 --> 00:42:48,240
only go up to about June of last year

1044
00:42:53,450 --> 00:42:50,880
which means then essentially the run-up

1045
00:42:56,089 --> 00:42:53,460
to their UAP effort

1046
00:42:58,670 --> 00:42:56,099
all of those Communications all of those

1047
00:43:01,849 --> 00:42:58,680
those emails all of that were actually

1048
00:43:04,490 --> 00:43:01,859
not in this dump of uh there were six

1049
00:43:07,730 --> 00:43:04,500
total data dumps from NASA to me which

1050
00:43:10,790 --> 00:43:07,740
then I put online uh it that time frame

1051
00:43:13,970 --> 00:43:10,800
is not there of the ramp up up to this

1052
00:43:15,710 --> 00:43:13,980
UAP study so last week when everything

1053
00:43:18,710 --> 00:43:15,720
was completed and I got the sixth

1054
00:43:23,089 --> 00:43:18,720
request I filed a new case with new

1055
00:43:25,190 --> 00:43:23,099
names to NASA and Langley and

1056
00:43:27,829 --> 00:43:25,200
a couple others that I can't think of

1057
00:43:29,390 --> 00:43:27,839
right now uh but all NASA facilities all

1058
00:43:31,609 --> 00:43:29,400
with the new names that I had discovered

1059
00:43:34,849 --> 00:43:31,619
with the last one and refiled

1060
00:43:36,950 --> 00:43:34,859
essentially the same case or cases but

1061
00:43:39,349 --> 00:43:36,960
now getting the time frame of the UAP

1062
00:43:42,050 --> 00:43:39,359
study and for me I think that that's

1063
00:43:45,650 --> 00:43:42,060
going to reveal a ton of material

1064
00:43:48,710 --> 00:43:45,660
because also in that our Communications

1065
00:43:51,170 --> 00:43:48,720
with the Navy the Pentagon and the dod

1066
00:43:54,230 --> 00:43:51,180
and other military branches as they all

1067
00:43:56,450 --> 00:43:54,240
communicate during this whole process so

1068
00:43:59,270 --> 00:43:56,460
when I talk about Paper Trails there's

1069
00:44:02,210 --> 00:43:59,280
12 billion of them to discover because

1070
00:44:03,890 --> 00:44:02,220
those email chains and so on then they

1071
00:44:07,069 --> 00:44:03,900
take the documents that let's say the

1072
00:44:10,490 --> 00:44:07,079
Navy wrote they have to then give it to

1073
00:44:13,670 --> 00:44:10,500
the Navy for review so I may have never

1074
00:44:15,410 --> 00:44:13,680
thought of a specific person at the Navy

1075
00:44:17,030 --> 00:44:15,420
to request their emails because I don't

1076
00:44:19,190 --> 00:44:17,040
know them you know I don't know every

1077
00:44:22,430 --> 00:44:19,200
Naval Personnel that's involved in the

1078
00:44:23,450 --> 00:44:22,440
UAP conversation but with NASA you look

1079
00:44:26,030 --> 00:44:23,460
for those names

1080
00:44:27,290 --> 00:44:26,040
file requests on those names and then it

1081
00:44:29,390 --> 00:44:27,300
doesn't matter if you don't know the

1082
00:44:31,010 --> 00:44:29,400
Navy person all the emails come up

1083
00:44:33,290 --> 00:44:31,020
because you were looking at the NASA

1084
00:44:35,630 --> 00:44:33,300
personnel and so then they transfer that

1085
00:44:37,490 --> 00:44:35,640
over to the Navy the Navy looks it over

1086
00:44:39,890 --> 00:44:37,500
and they release it sometimes with the

1087
00:44:43,370 --> 00:44:39,900
name revealed sometimes not but then

1088
00:44:44,990 --> 00:44:43,380
that creates more Paper Trails so not to

1089
00:44:47,450 --> 00:44:45,000
be long-winded but where I'm going with

1090
00:44:50,030 --> 00:44:47,460
this is that there's still so much to

1091
00:44:51,650 --> 00:44:50,040
discover and there's so much so much to

1092
00:44:54,230 --> 00:44:51,660
be revealed

1093
00:44:56,630 --> 00:44:54,240
um one of the NASA papers that came out

1094
00:44:58,609 --> 00:44:56,640
was David spurgle's paper on UFOs and

1095
00:45:00,890 --> 00:44:58,619
his thoughts about UFOs that was never

1096
00:45:03,650 --> 00:45:00,900
public before that came up in the in the

1097
00:45:05,089 --> 00:45:03,660
NASA foia request so you start seeing

1098
00:45:08,089 --> 00:45:05,099
how people

1099
00:45:10,309 --> 00:45:08,099
feel about this topic so then that UAP

1100
00:45:13,550 --> 00:45:10,319
public report whether it be the 2021

1101
00:45:15,470 --> 00:45:13,560
version or 2022 becomes Irrelevant in a

1102
00:45:18,230 --> 00:45:15,480
sense because that's just what they want

1103
00:45:20,690 --> 00:45:18,240
you to know I want to know what is going

1104
00:45:22,910 --> 00:45:20,700
on internally behind the scenes what

1105
00:45:24,910 --> 00:45:22,920
went into that report who is involved if

1106
00:45:27,410 --> 00:45:24,920
though if they'll release those names

1107
00:45:29,450 --> 00:45:27,420
one other Revelation that came from the

1108
00:45:31,849 --> 00:45:29,460
national reconnaissance office was that

1109
00:45:34,190 --> 00:45:31,859
the UAP task force had a whole Advisory

1110
00:45:36,589 --> 00:45:34,200
board for the task force that was never

1111
00:45:39,349 --> 00:45:36,599
revealed before we could safely assume

1112
00:45:41,870 --> 00:45:39,359
they would we can hope they would but it

1113
00:45:43,490 --> 00:45:41,880
was never in writing before so you see

1114
00:45:45,890 --> 00:45:43,500
all of these things that are going on

1115
00:45:47,630 --> 00:45:45,900
behind the scenes and that wasn't in the

1116
00:45:49,670 --> 00:45:47,640
report that wasn't revealed in some

1117
00:45:51,829 --> 00:45:49,680
press statement so there's a lot there's

1118
00:45:53,750 --> 00:45:51,839
a lot going on there's a lot still

1119
00:45:55,790 --> 00:45:53,760
coming just because they won't give you

1120
00:45:58,730 --> 00:45:55,800
the videos doesn't mean that they won't

1121
00:46:01,069 --> 00:45:58,740
give you the written reports about UAP

1122
00:46:03,290 --> 00:46:01,079
or UFOs will it be a fight absolutely

1123
00:46:05,630 --> 00:46:03,300
but that doesn't mean that those are

1124
00:46:07,790 --> 00:46:05,640
completely lost we've been able to to

1125
00:46:09,349 --> 00:46:07,800
extract some of those and and there's a

1126
00:46:11,750 --> 00:46:09,359
lot of people obviously going for them

1127
00:46:15,770 --> 00:46:11,760
uh the last thought I'll leave you with

1128
00:46:18,770 --> 00:46:15,780
is uh there have been quite a few FAA

1129
00:46:21,410 --> 00:46:18,780
reports that are popping up of UAP being

1130
00:46:24,950 --> 00:46:21,420
seen by pilots obviously Ben Hansen's

1131
00:46:28,130 --> 00:46:24,960
been been uh researching quite a bit uh

1132
00:46:29,870 --> 00:46:28,140
but I have uh filed some requests on

1133
00:46:31,670 --> 00:46:29,880
other cases have nothing to do with

1134
00:46:35,510 --> 00:46:31,680
those racetrack ones but rather they're

1135
00:46:37,309 --> 00:46:35,520
seeing them all over and FAA has taken

1136
00:46:38,930 --> 00:46:37,319
the reports I've got all the flight

1137
00:46:41,270 --> 00:46:38,940
numbers and so on and so forth so I've

1138
00:46:43,670 --> 00:46:41,280
got quite a few cases filed with that as

1139
00:46:45,290 --> 00:46:43,680
well so when they're released I'll I'll

1140
00:46:48,970 --> 00:46:45,300
definitely post them and I've already

1141
00:46:51,829 --> 00:46:48,980
posted some from the past one I think

1142
00:46:53,510 --> 00:46:51,839
ultimately was probably starlink but

1143
00:46:56,210 --> 00:46:53,520
regardless you can start seeing the

1144
00:46:58,970 --> 00:46:56,220
Paper Trails you know come about and and

1145
00:47:01,370 --> 00:46:58,980
and researching UAP when it comes to the

1146
00:47:03,050 --> 00:47:01,380
FAA I'm trying to think of how many

1147
00:47:05,870 --> 00:47:03,060
acronyms I can throw into this answer

1148
00:47:07,250 --> 00:47:05,880
Ryan I just throw throw out a ton of

1149
00:47:10,250 --> 00:47:07,260
them to you but anyway there's a lot

1150
00:47:13,670 --> 00:47:10,260
going on and and I I don't want anybody

1151
00:47:16,250 --> 00:47:13,680
to think hey I'm I'm I'm done with this

1152
00:47:18,530 --> 00:47:16,260
I should go away because I go back to my

1153
00:47:19,670 --> 00:47:18,540
answer before the true reason why we are

1154
00:47:22,069 --> 00:47:19,680
all here

1155
00:47:24,770 --> 00:47:22,079
is still there don't let the government

1156
00:47:27,890 --> 00:47:24,780
deter you from seeking answers don't let

1157
00:47:30,410 --> 00:47:27,900
foia denials deter you from that just

1158
00:47:32,630 --> 00:47:30,420
remember why we're all here and we'll

1159
00:47:35,630 --> 00:47:32,640
all have fun in the process and and try

1160
00:47:37,849 --> 00:47:35,640
and get to whatever truth is going on if

1161
00:47:39,890 --> 00:47:37,859
we can absolutely man

1162
00:47:42,109 --> 00:47:39,900
um and to kind of end it here I want to

1163
00:47:44,210 --> 00:47:42,119
play this quick clip that I know you

1164
00:47:47,089 --> 00:47:44,220
appreciate this guy's work as much as I

1165
00:47:48,530 --> 00:47:47,099
do kind of a joke about the UAP report

1166
00:47:50,750 --> 00:47:48,540
being late

1167
00:47:53,630 --> 00:47:50,760
um thank God for this guy otherwise you

1168
00:47:55,430 --> 00:47:53,640
know everyone's all mad and and grumpy

1169
00:47:57,589 --> 00:47:55,440
about it but not this guy so let's go

1170
00:48:00,589 --> 00:47:57,599
ahead and play it before we let you go

1171
00:48:05,630 --> 00:48:00,599
here day number nine and still no UFO

1172
00:48:08,150 --> 00:48:05,640
report nine days really nine days this

1173
00:48:10,250 --> 00:48:08,160
is getting ridiculous do you have any

1174
00:48:12,770 --> 00:48:10,260
idea what can be done in less than nine

1175
00:48:14,990 --> 00:48:12,780
days because if you don't I just so

1176
00:48:16,790 --> 00:48:15,000
happen to have a list ready you could

1177
00:48:19,550 --> 00:48:16,800
walk your foot drag itself from the

1178
00:48:21,650 --> 00:48:19,560
Pentagon to Atlanta you could float your

1179
00:48:24,230 --> 00:48:21,660
boat down the Amazon you could take a

1180
00:48:26,270 --> 00:48:24,240
car for a lap around Australia or you

1181
00:48:28,430 --> 00:48:26,280
could even fly to the moon plant a flag

1182
00:48:31,309 --> 00:48:28,440
on it and fly back to Earth

1183
00:48:34,609 --> 00:48:31,319
so what's taking so long

1184
00:48:37,430 --> 00:48:34,619
that's crazy why did the moon and back

1185
00:48:40,670 --> 00:48:37,440
that was nine days ago he's done more

1186
00:48:43,069 --> 00:48:40,680
since then too yeah I that guy he's so

1187
00:48:44,569 --> 00:48:43,079
entertaining I I love what he does and

1188
00:48:46,609 --> 00:48:44,579
when he was starting to do these videos

1189
00:48:48,530 --> 00:48:46,619
I kept you know prodding him through

1190
00:48:49,910 --> 00:48:48,540
tweets and stuff I was like where's it

1191
00:48:52,309 --> 00:48:49,920
you know where's day three where's day

1192
00:48:53,690 --> 00:48:52,319
four what's going on and there was one

1193
00:48:56,089 --> 00:48:53,700
that he dropped and he had all these

1194
00:48:58,370 --> 00:48:56,099
reactions and he was like the one that

1195
00:49:00,050 --> 00:48:58,380
got me was he was crying in bed and he

1196
00:49:02,870 --> 00:49:00,060
was holding stuffed animals

1197
00:49:05,690 --> 00:49:02,880
and so I said this has to be a reaction

1198
00:49:08,809 --> 00:49:05,700
gift we have to make this and before I

1199
00:49:10,609 --> 00:49:08,819
did that Grant levock from uh from

1200
00:49:11,990 --> 00:49:10,619
Australia if you don't know Grant follow

1201
00:49:14,329 --> 00:49:12,000
him on Twitter he's an awesome guy

1202
00:49:17,450 --> 00:49:14,339
really follows the Australian connection

1203
00:49:19,910 --> 00:49:17,460
to all of this so he is the guy that

1204
00:49:22,670 --> 00:49:19,920
does all the the fun joking deep fake

1205
00:49:25,190 --> 00:49:22,680
videos you know and and so he saw my

1206
00:49:26,990 --> 00:49:25,200
tweet grab the video automatically made

1207
00:49:30,890 --> 00:49:27,000
the animated gif so now we have a full

1208
00:49:32,329 --> 00:49:30,900
set of Dan Warren reaction gifts so I

1209
00:49:35,349 --> 00:49:32,339
keep posting that one where he's crying

1210
00:49:38,809 --> 00:49:35,359
holding his stuffy and I he's just uh

1211
00:49:40,309 --> 00:49:38,819
he's one of the examples of of why I

1212
00:49:43,849 --> 00:49:40,319
love this field right there's a lot of

1213
00:49:46,430 --> 00:49:43,859
examples of why it's no fun but Dan and

1214
00:49:48,710 --> 00:49:46,440
Grant and yourself Ryan everybody who

1215
00:49:51,109 --> 00:49:48,720
has fun with this

1216
00:49:53,870 --> 00:49:51,119
excuse me it remembers like why we're

1217
00:49:55,910 --> 00:49:53,880
here uh that's why I'm still around too

1218
00:49:58,370 --> 00:49:55,920
you know it's it's so motivating to see

1219
00:49:59,690 --> 00:49:58,380
that because it's it's not about arguing

1220
00:50:03,230 --> 00:49:59,700
somebody's point or you better believe

1221
00:50:04,790 --> 00:50:03,240
me or I'm gonna XYZ you uh it's just

1222
00:50:06,410 --> 00:50:04,800
about having fun and asking those

1223
00:50:08,089 --> 00:50:06,420
questions and Dan's a prime example so

1224
00:50:10,130 --> 00:50:08,099
I'm glad you I'm glad you played the

1225
00:50:13,069 --> 00:50:10,140
video because it's it's uh absolutely

1226
00:50:15,890 --> 00:50:13,079
reinforces my point earlier about just

1227
00:50:17,510 --> 00:50:15,900
remembering why we're here yeah and he's

1228
00:50:20,270 --> 00:50:17,520
even getting his whole family involved

1229
00:50:23,089 --> 00:50:20,280
on these I know okay it's amazing yeah

1230
00:50:25,250 --> 00:50:23,099
again you you encapsulate it perfectly

1231
00:50:27,829 --> 00:50:25,260
why we're here and I think that's what's

1232
00:50:29,630 --> 00:50:27,839
driving me to continue even as I Wade

1233
00:50:32,690 --> 00:50:29,640
through all this government stuff as you

1234
00:50:34,670 --> 00:50:32,700
do so um John thanks man thanks for

1235
00:50:37,670 --> 00:50:34,680
hopping in last minute of course for my

1236
00:50:39,650 --> 00:50:37,680
uh for saving my AMA uh this is all

1237
00:50:41,930 --> 00:50:39,660
extreme feel bad take over your show

1238
00:50:45,050 --> 00:50:41,940
Ryan anything oh no I've got a whole

1239
00:50:47,030 --> 00:50:45,060
episode now buddy no no this is great I

1240
00:50:49,250 --> 00:50:47,040
don't have to worry for another week um

1241
00:50:51,349 --> 00:50:49,260
but uh where can we find everything

1242
00:50:53,510 --> 00:50:51,359
you're up to my man and yeah give us

1243
00:50:55,510 --> 00:50:53,520
those socials before before sure sure

1244
00:50:58,790 --> 00:50:55,520
the the easiest road map just go to the

1245
00:51:01,250 --> 00:50:58,800
blackvault.com and uh at the top of the

1246
00:51:03,349 --> 00:51:01,260
site you'll see social media icons at

1247
00:51:06,829 --> 00:51:03,359
the bottom of the Articles you'll see

1248
00:51:09,609 --> 00:51:06,839
everything uh I'm probably arguably most

1249
00:51:11,470 --> 00:51:09,619
active on Twitter the handle is black

1250
00:51:14,150 --> 00:51:11,480
vault.com

1251
00:51:15,710 --> 00:51:14,160
uh the rest again I invite you to click

1252
00:51:17,049 --> 00:51:15,720
on the icon so I don't bore you to death

1253
00:51:19,849 --> 00:51:17,059
because there's different variations

1254
00:51:22,849 --> 00:51:19,859
depending upon username availability but

1255
00:51:25,370 --> 00:51:22,859
yeah the blackvault.com that'll give you

1256
00:51:27,650 --> 00:51:25,380
the road map to all the Articles YouTube

1257
00:51:29,569 --> 00:51:27,660
channel and especially for the story

1258
00:51:31,790 --> 00:51:29,579
that we were talking about earlier that

1259
00:51:33,710 --> 00:51:31,800
Ryan had brought up uh I'll have that on

1260
00:51:36,530 --> 00:51:33,720
the on the YouTube channel obviously

1261
00:51:38,450 --> 00:51:36,540
today is the most recent video so enjoy

1262
00:51:40,609 --> 00:51:38,460
feel free to to contact me and I'm

1263
00:51:42,710 --> 00:51:40,619
always interested in feedback

1264
00:51:44,690 --> 00:51:42,720
perfect perfect yep and you do

1265
00:51:46,370 --> 00:51:44,700
everything in podcast form too guys so

1266
00:51:48,589 --> 00:51:46,380
subscribe to that wherever you get

1267
00:51:50,630 --> 00:51:48,599
somewhere in the skies as well uh John

1268
00:51:52,609 --> 00:51:50,640
thank you my man have a great rest of

1269
00:51:54,470 --> 00:51:52,619
your afternoon and uh keep fighting the

1270
00:51:56,569 --> 00:51:54,480
good fight my man I appreciate that can

1271
00:52:00,530 --> 00:51:56,579
I ask you one question to start off your

1272
00:52:01,790 --> 00:52:00,540
Ama oh my gosh please do it was asked to

1273
00:52:03,109 --> 00:52:01,800
me in a live stream I thought it was a

1274
00:52:05,150 --> 00:52:03,119
brilliant question

1275
00:52:07,370 --> 00:52:05,160
and I don't remember

1276
00:52:09,109 --> 00:52:07,380
if I Revisited it but I was so on the

1277
00:52:11,089 --> 00:52:09,119
spot I couldn't answer it so my so the

1278
00:52:13,609 --> 00:52:11,099
question is and I forget the person's

1279
00:52:16,549 --> 00:52:13,619
name who asked me if you could meet one

1280
00:52:19,010 --> 00:52:16,559
person in the UFO field that you've

1281
00:52:22,010 --> 00:52:19,020
never uh that you never met before but

1282
00:52:25,490 --> 00:52:22,020
has passed on who would it be and what's

1283
00:52:28,309 --> 00:52:25,500
the question you would ask wow who is

1284
00:52:30,829 --> 00:52:28,319
passed on okay right I did the same

1285
00:52:33,170 --> 00:52:30,839
thing I was like ah I don't know

1286
00:52:37,370 --> 00:52:33,180
is passed on

1287
00:52:42,049 --> 00:52:39,589
that is such a good question that I'm

1288
00:52:44,510 --> 00:52:42,059
I'm drawing a blank right now

1289
00:52:46,250 --> 00:52:44,520
um that's exactly my reaction so I

1290
00:52:48,950 --> 00:52:46,260
wanted to I wanted to see if you if you

1291
00:52:50,450 --> 00:52:48,960
had a i later when I got off I wanted to

1292
00:52:53,270 --> 00:52:50,460
contact the guy

1293
00:52:56,290 --> 00:52:53,280
do you have it oh no no I was just gonna

1294
00:52:58,430 --> 00:52:56,300
I I know that feeling like later on yeah

1295
00:53:01,190 --> 00:52:58,440
it's like two in the morning I woke up

1296
00:53:04,790 --> 00:53:01,200
like I I've got an answer now

1297
00:53:07,549 --> 00:53:04,800
um later I I had thought of uh J Allen

1298
00:53:09,109 --> 00:53:07,559
heineck and and and the reason is I I

1299
00:53:10,130 --> 00:53:09,119
want to ask them because there's a lot

1300
00:53:13,370 --> 00:53:10,140
of speculation I think everybody

1301
00:53:14,750 --> 00:53:13,380
believes sakuro is what turned him uh

1302
00:53:17,210 --> 00:53:14,760
essentially from that again skeptical

1303
00:53:20,510 --> 00:53:17,220
standpoint to the to the believer uh but

1304
00:53:23,510 --> 00:53:20,520
he worked with uh a dear uh friend I

1305
00:53:26,329 --> 00:53:23,520
knew for decades who has passed on uh

1306
00:53:28,790 --> 00:53:26,339
Ted Phillips and and I I did shows with

1307
00:53:32,630 --> 00:53:28,800
Ted spoke at conferences with Ted new

1308
00:53:34,010 --> 00:53:32,640
Ted and that's why then I I was kicking

1309
00:53:37,069 --> 00:53:34,020
myself I didn't think of Jay Alan

1310
00:53:39,290 --> 00:53:37,079
heineck uh at the time because he was

1311
00:53:42,950 --> 00:53:39,300
obviously Ted's Mentor so knowing Ted

1312
00:53:45,230 --> 00:53:42,960
personally for so long I knew that

1313
00:53:48,109 --> 00:53:45,240
uh heineck probably had a much better

1314
00:53:50,270 --> 00:53:48,119
answer than oh yeah it was Socorro like

1315
00:53:52,069 --> 00:53:50,280
I would love to hear what really made

1316
00:53:53,809 --> 00:53:52,079
him go you know what

1317
00:53:56,089 --> 00:53:53,819
there's something to this this is not

1318
00:53:58,670 --> 00:53:56,099
the swamp gas the planet Venus and and

1319
00:54:01,670 --> 00:53:58,680
so on so yeah that was the answer I I

1320
00:54:03,049 --> 00:54:01,680
thought of after but uh I was curious

1321
00:54:05,630 --> 00:54:03,059
your thoughts so put some thought into

1322
00:54:07,250 --> 00:54:05,640
I'm sure at a later show yeah I'm going

1323
00:54:09,349 --> 00:54:07,260
towards I'm leaning towards James

1324
00:54:12,170 --> 00:54:09,359
McDonald just because it was such a

1325
00:54:15,109 --> 00:54:12,180
tragic end yeah to that guy's career and

1326
00:54:17,390 --> 00:54:15,119
life and I wish there was something we

1327
00:54:19,910 --> 00:54:17,400
could have done back then in the field

1328
00:54:23,210 --> 00:54:19,920
to be like dude just keep going because

1329
00:54:26,030 --> 00:54:23,220
we've all been there and he he battled

1330
00:54:28,730 --> 00:54:26,040
his own demons and and mental illness

1331
00:54:31,250 --> 00:54:28,740
and whatnot but um you know I ultimately

1332
00:54:33,650 --> 00:54:31,260
think that a lot of his depression came

1333
00:54:36,170 --> 00:54:33,660
from this topic and it can do that it

1334
00:54:38,270 --> 00:54:36,180
can really really eat away at you so if

1335
00:54:40,910 --> 00:54:38,280
we could have had him listen to you

1336
00:54:42,650 --> 00:54:40,920
talking about keep going like there's

1337
00:54:44,809 --> 00:54:42,660
always there's a core mystery that's why

1338
00:54:47,870 --> 00:54:44,819
we're here I think uh things might have

1339
00:54:49,790 --> 00:54:47,880
uh and that might be really Blasphemous

1340
00:54:50,990 --> 00:54:49,800
to say and controversial but things

1341
00:54:53,329 --> 00:54:51,000
might have been different for Mr

1342
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McDonald if he had did you encourage did

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you ever meet uh Ann druffle

1344
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no that that name did come to mind as

1345
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well

1346
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um Andrew James McDonald and everyone's

1347
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saying Stanton Friedman we've both had

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the unbelievable pleasure to have worked

1349
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with Stan yeah yeah

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a new stand for 20 something 20

1351
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something years yeah you did it it was a

1352
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wonderful um yeah when I did that

1353
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tribute to him that's right

1354
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no that was it was cool that you did

1355
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that

1356
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um yeah he was he was a great one but I

1357
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bring up Ann just sadly who also passed

1358
00:55:32,510 --> 00:55:29,819
on but uh her book on uh James McDonald

1359
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is definitely more detailed than

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anything I'm aware of so anyway I'll let

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you do your AMA I'm happy I got to kick

1362
00:55:41,750 --> 00:55:39,059
it off with something I loved it man

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thank you thank you no better way to

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start it you too take care I appreciate

1365
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it thanks to everybody watching I

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foreign

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foreign

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